Joy Matters & Ikigai with AJ Sue

What does it mean to be joyful?

What does it mean to be doing business with joy?

What is the world like now post Covid?

What does it mean to have real relationships these days?

How does ikigai fit in with our lives?

Are we still the same people that we were when we were younger or does life change us?

These are some of the topics AJ Sue and I talk about on this episode as we unpack a lot about life, its joys and moments, as we go through the years.

About my guest: AJ Sue is a father; a happily divorced man. Adventurer. Creator. A lifelong coach who spent 25 years in big retail, before getting fired and figuring out what I was supposed to be doing.

Connect with AJ on Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, TikTok, and on the web at https://Sayheyaj.com

Transcript (auto-generated; may contain errors):

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Jennifer Glass: Hello and welcome to another episode of MOJO: The Meaning of Life and Business. For a lot of people we think about

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Jennifer Glass: life. We think about business. We think about what it is that we’re doing.

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Jennifer Glass: and very often we kind of get bogged down, and we forget to have fun. We forget the whole point of why we actually wanted to business for ourselves. Maybe it’s that we wanted to be doing what we want to do as a boss. Maybe it’s that we want it to be

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Jennifer Glass: driving the bus a little bit differently than what our former bosses may have wanted us to be doing.

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Jennifer Glass: or more appropriately, our little van in the back of our truck that we’re pulling.

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Jennifer Glass: And you’ll get Why, i’m talking about that in a few moments.

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Jennifer Glass: But we really need to be thinking, what is it that we’re trying to do? What is it that we’re really getting at? Are we having fun? Are we meeting. Great people

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Jennifer Glass: are we connecting on a greater level other than just hey? Congratulations, you know. Nice to meet you. Let’s do lunch right? I mean, when all we’re doing is going around. We’re just networking instead of relationship working that I’ve always been saying we really get lost in the whole idea of what it is that we’re trying to do, and where we’re trying to go.

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Jennifer Glass: And so I’ve got a really great guy on the program today as my guest. His name is AJ Sue. And let me tell you a little bit about AJ. And i’m going to use AJ’s words, AJ is a father.

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Jennifer Glass: He is a happily divorced man.

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Jennifer Glass: He’s an adventurer.

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Jennifer Glass: He’s a creator. He’s a lifelong coach who spent 25 years in big retail before getting fired and figuring out what it was he was supposed to be doing.

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Jennifer Glass: and AJ and I have been

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Jennifer Glass: lucky enough that for the last several months we’ve been developing a real friendship.

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Jennifer Glass: and really getting to know what each other all about. And that’s exactly what I said in my intro to our program today, getting to know people getting to meet them and having fun. So AJ: welcome to the program.

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AJ Sue: Thanks for having me, Jennifer.

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Jennifer Glass: Absolutely. So, AJ, let me ask you, when we’re talking about having fine and

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Jennifer Glass: relationships and all of that

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Jennifer Glass: in your mind. What does that mean?

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AJ Sue: It means finding fulfillment.

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AJ Sue: It means

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AJ Sue: doing what your heart says you should do in a ways that allow you to be personally successful and professionally successful.

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AJ Sue: It means not doing anything

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AJ Sue: halfway, because someone else told you to do it that way.

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AJ Sue: It means

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AJ Sue: investing in real relationships, and I guess

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AJ Sue: the the idea of abundance, knowing confidently

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AJ Sue: that there’s enough.

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AJ Sue: and you can make the world better.

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AJ Sue: the ability to go through life with comfort and confidence that

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AJ Sue: what should happen is gonna happen. Those are all really joyous things.

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AJ Sue: They protect my heart, they protect my mind, and at the end of the day

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AJ Sue: they take me where I need to end up financially and intellectually, I guess

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Jennifer Glass: perfect.

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Jennifer Glass: So, AJ, let me ask you, because we talked about really quick, and I wanted just kind of move this. So people understand. When I was talking about that little trailer. You’ve got your teardrop.

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AJ Sue: Oh.

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Jennifer Glass: tell me about that, please.

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AJ Sue: my tear drop. So my teardrop is it’s a little trailer I don’t know if you’ve seen them on the highway. They’re like

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AJ Sue: 5 feet wide and 8 feet long, and

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AJ Sue: there’s enough space in there to sleep, and you can open up the back and you can cook out of it. It’s really, really mobile as a as a very small car can pull one.

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AJ Sue: The teardrop is a symbol for me. It’s also sort of a little thing. I’ve had my mind a long time.

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AJ Sue: It’s freedom.

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AJ Sue: It’s unencumbered

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AJ Sue: it. I can move instantly. I don’t have to pack up a lot on my back to go out and explore the world. My tear drop is freedom.

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AJ Sue: It gets to be out in the world. It it literally is a trailer. I can to it behind my out back.

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AJ Sue: and I’ve taken it up to all these places where it’s self contained.

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AJ Sue: and life is simple

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AJ Sue: because it can’t have much in it

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AJ Sue: enough to sleep enough to eat and a safe place in a warm place. That’s all it is.

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Jennifer Glass: And then exactly is the point

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Jennifer Glass: in terms of what it is that we’re trying to talk about here. It’s remembering to have a little bit of fun

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Jennifer Glass: while we’re doing everything else that we do.

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AJ Sue: and that’s like, yeah. So that point i’ll say this: My tear drop is set up to run my business out of. I’ve been a small business coach for 12 years.

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AJ Sue: and I before the pandemic I did all my work inside of

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AJ Sue: and in a library once in a while. But I talk to my people. I drink coffee. That was fun.

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AJ Sue: but I really wanted to get out and see the world also. The pandemic created a new awareness for us. We can all work remotely, and I didn’t do very much remote work a little bit.

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AJ Sue: But then, in the pandemic going in, I had this trailer and I it’s set up. I can coach from anywhere.

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AJ Sue: I got a little hotspot. I got my computer. I can drive set up, got battery power, and I can coach from the beach. I can coach from the forest as long as my hotspot connects to a tower somewhere.

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AJ Sue: and it’s that’s fun for me, because my work

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AJ Sue: and my life blend together seamlessly. It just feels completely right.

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Jennifer Glass: And that’s one of the brilliant things about the pandemic. I mean, like you. When the pandemic hit before that, I was meeting people in many coffee shops.

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Jennifer Glass: I did the library thing to a couple of times. But for the most part, though my meetings were in a certain fast food location.

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Jennifer Glass: or, as the industry calls a quick service restaurant, where we were meeting.

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Jennifer Glass: grabbing a coffee or a tea, and sitting there for an hour hour and a half, and really having a conversation and furthering a relationship.

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Jennifer Glass: when the pandemic hit

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Jennifer Glass: I started being a lot more on zoom.

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Jennifer Glass: I’m sure a lot

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Jennifer Glass: of us have been there.

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Jennifer Glass: and right now we are on zoom

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Jennifer Glass: as we’re recording this show. But one of the things for me that

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Jennifer Glass: I miss about life before Covid

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Jennifer Glass: I’m not meeting as many people now in person anymore. And I think part of it is also

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Jennifer Glass: that my universe of people that i’m meeting.

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Jennifer Glass: but it’s significantly bigger

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Jennifer Glass: for a good chunk of the people that I was meeting. Simply because you’re going to networking groups. You’re going to different meetings, and everybody’s got their oh, you should talk to this person, this person, that person, that person. And so you start building out your

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Jennifer Glass: connections. But everything is really local.

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Jennifer Glass: And then, all of a sudden.

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Jennifer Glass: the pandemic hits. And there goes the global boundaries. I mean you no longer geographically bound, and

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Jennifer Glass: you can really go anywhere, and so I love that with your trailer you can be out there anywhere. You’ve got a connection with your hotspot.

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Jennifer Glass: You’re in a position to be talking to just about anyone.

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Jennifer Glass: So I’m waiting for you to get that hotspot opportunity on Mars. But it’s a different story.

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AJ Sue: It’s interesting. I totally agree that the geography goes away.

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AJ Sue: My world is is in one way larger. Geographically, as you say, I now have clients in the East Coast and Florida and Colorado and Washington in California and Hawaii.

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AJ Sue: and a whole mess here in Wisconsin, because that’s where I built my geographical base for all these last 10 or 12 years.

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AJ Sue: So the reach is longer in that way. My world is larger.

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AJ Sue: but my world is also smaller, because I actually interact with fewer people. Now they’re just spread out more

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AJ Sue: which is interesting to me

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AJ Sue: simultaneously. I I feel like the people in far away places. I don’t have as much organic opportunity

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AJ Sue: to bump into them at the post office at the coffee store at the Chamber of Commerce. They live in different places.

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AJ Sue: and you talked about how, for the last 3 or 4 months we’ve been building a relationship, and I’ve done that a tremendous amount

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AJ Sue: in the couple of years before the pandemic and in the pandemic, where on purpose

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AJ Sue: i’m building these relationships. I said, I like you, Jennifer. We should talk a little bit more and invest time, and see if there’s really a relationship to have here, and I I don’t know about you, but I think I found a great relationship in you. You

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AJ Sue: share ideas with me that make me think differently.

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AJ Sue: And then all this leads to this concept of joy. To me I think it’s hard to find joy amongst people who are not deeply related, and into relating to you

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AJ Sue: so like. If we only had a casual acquaintances filling our life.

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AJ Sue: I don’t think we’d ever find the deep, meaningful joy that we can find.

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AJ Sue: and we truly know people and have relationships with them, and invest

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AJ Sue: to know everything they can share everything. We have this deepened comfort.

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AJ Sue: So part of my thing about fun and joy is, I can’t have the ultimate expression of joy

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AJ Sue: unless I have these relationships that are truly

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AJ Sue: pairing and deeply fulfilling, and that requires personal knowledge.

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AJ Sue: So, even though the pandemic spreads us out geographically.

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AJ Sue: it’s the when our world gets larger that way. We have to protect against that and build the relationships.

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AJ Sue: to give us an opportunity to find this deepest joy.

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AJ Sue: It’s weird because the fun sometimes is

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AJ Sue: being with people sharing space.

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AJ Sue: But joy does not, is not bound by geography. It can be expressed like you and I do over the over the zoom line.

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AJ Sue: But either way it requires your relationship to be built on some deep level, and I do that every day.

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AJ Sue: That’s who I choose to spend time with. I meet some new people.

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AJ Sue: But if someone’s great.

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AJ Sue: then I invest deeply, and I’ve had so many

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AJ Sue: deepened relationships in this last 2 years it’s just amazing.

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AJ Sue: That’s the biggest payback I think I’ve had of a pandemic is weirdly the depth of relationship that’s happened.

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Jennifer Glass: I think one of the things that the pandemic made us do

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Jennifer Glass: having those relationships.

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Jennifer Glass: because we saw the, you know. And again.

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Jennifer Glass: with all of the

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Jennifer Glass: shootings and everything else that happens. We realize the fragility of life, and I don’t want to bring that

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Jennifer Glass: our conversation down. So we realized about the fragility of life and the pandemic

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Jennifer Glass: hated in that process of us, saying, Yes, we see the fragility.

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Jennifer Glass: I don’t know about you, because we didn’t talk about this from our past conversations.

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Jennifer Glass: But here I definitely knew people who succumb to the virus.

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Jennifer Glass: and one of those people in particular. She was in charge of the food pantry in my town.

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Jennifer Glass: and the Governor, when he was doing his press conferences in the beginning of the pandemic, happened to actually mention her as one of those 3 people of the day

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Jennifer Glass: that’s the example, and forming that bigger relationship that it’s not just the right. Let’s have that casual acquaintance kind of relationship it’s. Now, the real thing. What are we doing? That’s really going to make it stand out. So that’s really important.

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Jennifer Glass: And like you mentioned, I mean some of the thoughts that we’ve had over the last several months is really, you know.

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Jennifer Glass: one of the things we did was tell me who you see, when you’re an idea

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Jennifer Glass: and that kind of an idea, and we spoke about both of us having our own dreams, and

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Jennifer Glass: what absolutely freaks us out. I mean we had some really big, existential conversations there. But it was also, though

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Jennifer Glass: where do we really want to be? What is it that we’re trying to do? What is our vision

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Jennifer Glass: for the year, so that we can start, you know, moving with each other and being each other’s cheerleaders as well.

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AJ Sue: Yeah, when you say that I actually I I want to put one thing before all that is, it’s the somewhere between who we are and who we want to be

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AJ Sue: that it

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AJ Sue: So in my bio notes I said, i’m a duly divorced man.

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AJ Sue: I I’ve been divorced for a little over 2 years now.

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AJ Sue: and I all that happens concurrent with the pandemic. So that’s that’s a weird part of my

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AJ Sue: life in the last 2 or 3 years that I added all that to what the pandemic was creating around us, the access to people, the

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AJ Sue: I was dating in the pandemic, but what I was tricky at the beginning, when nobody knew what was going on. It’s like.

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AJ Sue: is it. Is it worth going out to a coffee with a beautiful woman

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AJ Sue: when you don’t know whether

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AJ Sue: But on top of that I didn’t know who I was. I came out of a 28 year marriage to an amazing woman.

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AJ Sue: because I didn’t have enough self love, or awareness of who I needed to be or ought to be.

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AJ Sue: and I wasn’t giving myself a chance to be who I should have been.

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AJ Sue: I didn’t know myself, or I wasn’t, allowing myself

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AJ Sue: to be in the world as fully and transparently and vulnerably as I should.

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AJ Sue: So in this moment of

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AJ Sue: finding joy in building relationships and trying to figure out what this year is supposed to bring on. This life is supposed to bring.

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AJ Sue: It’s very apparent to me in a way that it was not 2 or 3 years ago

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AJ Sue: that I can’t make the world like me.

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AJ Sue: What I need to do is be so on apologetically me that the people that don’t run away screaming

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AJ Sue: are going to accept me as I am.

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AJ Sue: and that is gonna bring me joy. The right people will be in the room, and the try with me and the others won’t. It goes for friends. It goes for lovers. It goes for clients.

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AJ Sue: They’re all choices.

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AJ Sue: The last one clients is often one that I think people short change.

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AJ Sue: We don’t. I don’t want a client

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AJ Sue: who wouldn’t choose to be in the room with me

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AJ Sue: as a friend.

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AJ Sue: I’m goofy.

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AJ Sue: but the people that choose to stay appreciate me for what I am.

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AJ Sue: They appreciate the way I swear

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AJ Sue: they appreciate this ratios, mustache and beer that i’m practicing growing because my meant meant. He told me I should in once in my life have a beard and a mustache, just to see what it’s like.

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AJ Sue: for the questions I ask. They appreciate me

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AJ Sue: for my

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AJ Sue: I don’t know if she’s copy written or not, because that’s so old, and I have an idea. But a scientific paper has certain limitations. Music has certain limitations.

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AJ Sue: I kind of debating her kind of a little salty on my little text back and forth on the comments, and she goes well. It just seems like you’re the what you just said is all wrong. Aj: and you’re just looking for a simple answer when there is none.

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AJ Sue: that they have to be sure that they know all of the data before they can make a judgment. And even then it’s usually heavily caveated

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AJ Sue: in this world of AI. In this moment we all have to have something to operate from.

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AJ Sue: and yet

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AJ Sue: nobody in the legal profession can quite say what it is.

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AJ Sue: We each have our own

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AJ Sue: view of it, and there’s a lot of people that that are saying that on the Internet open fair game, if, or even if it’s not legal, no one will ever catch me.

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AJ Sue: All that’s fascinating me, and I don’t know what’s right or on, but I do want to learn about it, and I do want to

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AJ Sue: leverage it like crazy

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AJ Sue: all while honoring the law. Whatever I interpret it to be in my values.

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AJ Sue: It’s really interesting to me

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Jennifer Glass: without a question. I mean understanding the implications is really going to be. I think, the next

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Jennifer Glass: major discovery process in the corporate law world.

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AJ Sue: as it relates to how intellectual property rights are going to be extended to AI

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Jennifer Glass: Right can chat Gpt claim ownership

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Jennifer Glass: of anything that it produces, simply because you’re going there, and it’s giving you this information.

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Jennifer Glass: I don’t believe that there is a clear license that says anything that you generate you can use on your own. You can claim originality.

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Jennifer Glass: because I think that if you look at

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Jennifer Glass: what it may be doing.

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Jennifer Glass: and how it may be taking content that it sees on the Internet

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Jennifer Glass: and putting sentence from here in a sense from there together.

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Jennifer Glass: Eventually, as they say, if you put a 1,000 monkeys in a room together with a typewriter.

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Jennifer Glass: You look at the works of Shakespeare.

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Jennifer Glass: It’s not hard for us to see how

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Jennifer Glass: AI can eventually potentially be directly infringing upon that copyright.

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Jennifer Glass: So

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Jennifer Glass: it brings us to an interesting idea how that’s going to be moving forward.

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Jennifer Glass: But

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Jennifer Glass: no matter how the AI world looks. Aj.

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Jennifer Glass: If you were to look out

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Jennifer Glass: over the next 12 to 18 months, and I know we’ve spoken about this in

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Jennifer Glass: broader 4 score brush strokes.

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Jennifer Glass: But

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Jennifer Glass: if we, if you sorry if you were to look at 12 to 18 months down the road, where do you see? Aj?

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AJ Sue: What do I see

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AJ Sue: about AI or in general.

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AJ Sue: How about Aj.

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AJ Sue: I think that

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AJ Sue: what you see is what you get there will be more

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AJ Sue: reach. I have different additional clients. I guess I don’t think my practice of coaching is going to change.

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AJ Sue: I’ll be just as curious.

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AJ Sue: I will be using AI

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AJ Sue: in safe ways which I quote unquote, think, are safe.

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AJ Sue: without any misgiving about the fact that it is leveraging work that is done by somebody else, that I don’t know who it is.

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AJ Sue: and i’ll probably end up accrediting AI for that, or open it, Chat, Gpt. Whatever it is, i’m still gonna be single and dating if that’s part of it. I was gonna be a dad. I’ll be happy married, Guy. Sorry.

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AJ Sue: 18 months will put me into some or 2 summers from now, so i’ll be kayaking if that’s what you want to know.

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AJ Sue: I think that

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AJ Sue: i’m gonna be even happier, because I will have continued to purify

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AJ Sue: who I am.

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AJ Sue: and communicate that more consistently with the world, even as I evolve

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AJ Sue: and sort of

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AJ Sue: just continuing to travel along

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AJ Sue: what I think is a pretty well defined trajectory.

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AJ Sue: That trajectory changes me.

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AJ Sue: But the trajectory is true.

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AJ Sue: I’ll still be a business coach. I will still care. I will be increasingly less transactional, even though right now i’m remarkably not transactional.

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AJ Sue: It’ll be

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AJ Sue: Aj. Only more as a as ish

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AJ Sue: in in every dimension, I think.

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AJ Sue: Did I answer your question?

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Jennifer Glass: I think so.

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Jennifer Glass: and it’s Really, it’s good that you’re looking at it. It’s going to be more Aj. Is, as you call it.

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Jennifer Glass: You’re gonna be more you right. I mean you’re authentic, and that was one of the things that drew me to you when we first started chatting.

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Jennifer Glass: and I was trying to r my mind over the last several moments. How did we first actually meet?

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Jennifer Glass: And i’m sure I can go on one of the social platforms, and I can probably figure it out. But I really, you know, just sitting here during our conversation

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Jennifer Glass: did someone introduce us, saying.

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Jennifer Glass: You know what you guys would be great to chat, get to know each other, whatever it was, I really I can’t remember at the moment. But you you’re wondering the same thing now, too, and I love how I put that little ear right there, you know.

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Jennifer Glass: But

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Jennifer Glass: when we’re looking, though at all of these different things that we’re trying to do, and you’re going to be there like you said, still helping people. You’re still going to be talking boomer to these people

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AJ Sue: and understanding boomer for the folks that you work with at that age, and that’s not a derogatory term By my saying it. Please Don’t, send me hate now.

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Jennifer Glass: but it’s one of those kinds of ideas, though, that

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Jennifer Glass: you’re just going to be you. You’re going to continue being

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Jennifer Glass: the person that you are, and you made it more when you and I were talking about your dreams for this year

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Jennifer Glass: to be. Where are you

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Jennifer Glass: to be more like out there and saying, this is me. You like it great. You don’t.

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Jennifer Glass: you know, whatever.

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Jennifer Glass: Yes, just in case people weren’t able to say they want to point to the sign on your in the back.

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Jennifer Glass: But yes.

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Jennifer Glass: but it’s really, though, and right behind you more free.

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Jennifer Glass: It’s all that kind of an idea, and I think that that’s where a lot of what drives you

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Jennifer Glass: is coming from so like you said it’s going back to when you were 5, 10 years old. The curiosity that you got into back then certainly is doing you well today, because people are

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Jennifer Glass: to you for that curiosity.

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AJ Sue: They want to see what you think, and that’s how you also can help businesses because you see them.

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Jennifer Glass: What is it that’s really going on?

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Jennifer Glass: And I think it’s some of that, maybe engineering

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Jennifer Glass: mindset 2

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Jennifer Glass: like. Let me take it apart.

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Jennifer Glass: Put it all back together.

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Jennifer Glass: And just

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AJ Sue: yeah, that that’s really true. It’s

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AJ Sue: so much of my curiosity is driven by. Wow! I never expected that. Or while I don’t get that.

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AJ Sue: I wanna I want to. I want to understand why things work.

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AJ Sue: why they why they don’t seem to work, but do or

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AJ Sue: why they don’t work you when they seem to it’s like i’m looking for these inconsistent moments.

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AJ Sue: It’s like that should never work. But look, it does off. It’s amazing

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like

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AJ Sue: the inconsistencies, the things that don’t work.

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AJ Sue: Other things that surprise us that they do are such great learning spots.

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AJ Sue: They make me go. It’s like curious.

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AJ Sue: I love. This is basically really weird.

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AJ Sue: I had a very, I have a very positive opinion

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AJ Sue: about Elon Musk’s decision to be so quick

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AJ Sue: and just like, Raise your sharp clear with his employees at Twitter.

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AJ Sue: not because I think he was a nice man doing it.

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AJ Sue: but because he decided what he wanted to do, and he did it

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AJ Sue: really, really clearly.

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AJ Sue: There’s a thing in my mind that comes from Bernie Brown. It’s, she says.

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AJ Sue: clear is kind.

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AJ Sue: and unclear is unkind.

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AJ Sue: It’s kind of goes back to this idea that nothing is really

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AJ Sue: good or bad. It just if we are what we are, that’s clear, and that’s

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AJ Sue: find it’s good.

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AJ Sue: I’m a dating guy. I’m trying to find my new life. The the a woman who can fulfill me.

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AJ Sue: and what I know is.

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AJ Sue: there’s a lot of lot of people who would love a lot of women who would love to be with me.

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AJ Sue: and yet that number being large, still a little tiny percentage.

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AJ Sue: So what we need to do is be really clear with ourselves. We are

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AJ Sue: find the people that we can have a win-win relationship with.

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AJ Sue: and we can’t ever know what that is. If we aren’t first ourselves.

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AJ Sue: and we can’t we gotta find people who are actually themselves hopefully to make really good decisions.

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AJ Sue: but that’s the whole understanding of people. That’s why we spend time together, You and I.

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AJ Sue: I learned something about you every time we talk and I go. Huh!

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AJ Sue: That’s amazing. Now I understand our.

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AJ Sue: I learned something now. I’m back in this Merc: I don’t understand it at all.

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AJ Sue: But either way we keep learning more and more about each other, and we can make better and better decisions about how to help each other.

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AJ Sue: or how to

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AJ Sue: grow ourselves.

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AJ Sue: Maybe the best thing we can do is stop talking altogether, or maybe it’s

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AJ Sue: get even closer.

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AJ Sue: because we know we are better fit for each other through the knowledge we gain.

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AJ Sue: And that is the most powerful thing we can do in anything relational like. Know ourselves and

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AJ Sue: talk that be that.

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Yeah.

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Jennifer Glass: you mentioned the

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Jennifer Glass: I’m. Surprised that that worked.

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Jennifer Glass: and it reminded me of one of my mentors, Dan Kennedy.

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Jennifer Glass: He is famous for saying how

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Jennifer Glass: he runs tests all the time right in marketing and business. Anything we do we have to test.

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Jennifer Glass: but

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Jennifer Glass: he gets blown away sometimes at the result.

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Jennifer Glass: He’s like that wasn’t supposed to work, but it did

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Jennifer Glass: right. I mean, we put a test out there to the market, and we say, I i’m expecting half a percent to respond to this.

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Jennifer Glass: I’m expecting 1020 to respond to that.

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Jennifer Glass: And all of a sudden you end up with the inverse being true.

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Jennifer Glass: And you’re wondering what did we do different like? What made the market respond differently

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Jennifer Glass: to this thing that we thought we not work

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Jennifer Glass: right. I mean one of the reasons that in marketing. There is an idea a B testing

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Jennifer Glass: is because we want it to be out there

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Jennifer Glass: us to see.

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Jennifer Glass: Do people like this subject line that subject line. They’re going to open it more. They’re going to buy more. They’re going to interact with the email. Whatever. The purpose of the email is more on this or that.

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Jennifer Glass: and then we send out the rest of the list and allow it to move forward from there. But we get confused sometimes, though we say right, that’s never going to work. And all of a sudden all it does and completely blows our mind it’s that exact idea. When we also look at what Elon Musk did at Twitter.

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Jennifer Glass: and if you remember, when Elon first put the bid

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Jennifer Glass: to

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Jennifer Glass: by well, I think it was 5% a Twitter, and everyone was like, oh, yeah, the 5 percentage what are you know? He’s not going to do anything more.

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Jennifer Glass: And they offered him a board seat.

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Jennifer Glass: and he turned them down.

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Jennifer Glass: and people are sitting there like Why would he turn down the board seat?

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Jennifer Glass: And you gotta look at Elon Musk, and this is one of the things that I love about the man.

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Jennifer Glass: Putting aside his politics, putting aside

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Jennifer Glass: the

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Jennifer Glass: brashness sometimes of what he does.

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Jennifer Glass: but he is in general

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Jennifer Glass: 3 or 4 steps ahead of where we are.

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Jennifer Glass: If you look at Elon. When he got that 5

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Jennifer Glass: of Twitter

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Jennifer Glass: nobody thought he was gonna buy it out.

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Jennifer Glass: He knew already, though he was going to be doing it.

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AJ Sue: Maybe

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AJ Sue: that’s probably mine.

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Jennifer Glass: He already knew he needed to get in with a little bit, so he can take the whole thing.

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Jennifer Glass: because once people got comfortable with the idea of him being a minority

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owner.

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Jennifer Glass: he was already an owner. Get rid of the word minority.

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Jennifer Glass: and so it becomes easier for him to simply say, okay, fine. I’m going to take the rest of the business.

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Jennifer Glass: You look at what he’s done with Tesl. You look at what he’s done with Twitter.

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Jennifer Glass: You look at what he’s done with Spacex.

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Jennifer Glass: The man has a brilliance in the business world

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Jennifer Glass: that has really not been visible in a long time

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Jennifer Glass: in terms of somebody seeing so much out there.

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Jennifer Glass: But there’s a lot that we do get, and a lot that we do learn about the things that he does.

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Jennifer Glass: And you know that in the next 5, 10 years

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Jennifer Glass: Elon is going to be a course in business school.

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AJ Sue: so i’ll say one thing i’m not sure that he No, i’m not necessarily sure that he intend to divide with her

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AJ Sue: or make the buyout offer, and i’m not sure that he is actually

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AJ Sue: he, even though his vision, maybe 4, 5, 6, 10 steps ahead.

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AJ Sue: I’m not sure he actually knows the if he, if his vision is 10 steps ahead. I’m not actually sure he knows or has deep commitment to the next 9.

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AJ Sue: I don’t know the path by which he necessarily knows how he’s going to get to step 10,

548
00:46:53.370 –> 00:46:56.740
AJ Sue: but he has very little doubt about step 10 that I believe.

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AJ Sue: So. What is he gonna buy? Twitter? I actually don’t know. I think he was pissed off it’s what it for a variety of reasons. But he could have solved that in a number of ways he did. He understood Step 4, which is fixed twitter

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AJ Sue: in his mind. I just don’t know that he understood, or had a deep commitment to steps 1, 2, and 3 before step 4.

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Jennifer Glass: No getting too involved in the conversation there. From what Elon did or did not know. I think that from his perspective, if he would have called on Twitter to create a committee to investigate X. Whatever X is.

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Jennifer Glass: he would have been in his right as a 5% owner of the business to make that

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Jennifer Glass: request, and it would have been incumbent on Twitter to honor that request. But and that’s why i’m saying, Step 1, 2, and 3 to get to step 4.

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Jennifer Glass: I don’t think would have been an issue.

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Jennifer Glass: I think it was certainly something that he was looking.

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Jennifer Glass: as Warren Buffett says.

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Jennifer Glass: If you’ve got 1011 goals

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Jennifer Glass: over the next. Whatever period of time it is.

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Jennifer Glass: write down each of them.

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Jennifer Glass: put it in the order

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Jennifer Glass: of Number one

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Jennifer Glass: to Number 10

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Jennifer Glass: and don’t do anything until number one is done.

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Jennifer Glass: and then go to number 2,

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Jennifer Glass: and then go to number 3, but don’t do everything else in between.

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Jennifer Glass: So I think that Elon is certainly looking at

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Jennifer Glass: using some of that idea

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Jennifer Glass: in terms of where he is, because if he’s clear on what the goal is right. If he wanted to fix Twitter, he came in, he said, this is his version of fixing Twitter. I agree with him or not.

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Jennifer Glass: right. Many people have dropped off of Twitter, and I think, as far as Elon is concerned, he’s happier that they’re not there anymore.

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Jennifer Glass: because it’s less of a problem. He wants the good people that like him.

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Jennifer Glass: not the people who don’t like him

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Jennifer Glass: over there, so I think from his perspective he’s totally cool with them back and away, and everything. But

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AJ Sue: I agree with.

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Jennifer Glass: if we’re looking at where we are

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Jennifer Glass: there’s a lot we can learn in terms of. What did he do? And how can we operate our businesses, and how can we help our clients

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Jennifer Glass: right Sometimes, when you’re playing chess, one of the things that we know is, you got to be thinking, what is your point to be doing in 2 or 3 turns

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Jennifer Glass: right when you watch the chess masters play the game.

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Jennifer Glass: You know that they already mapped out the next 20 or so moves because right if I go here, they go there. If I do this, they do that.

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Jennifer Glass: and it’s that exact idea right? Yin, and yang right. You can’t have one without the other. But there is that whole from a coaches perspective.

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Jennifer Glass: What’s our client gonna do?

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Jennifer Glass: Is our client going to see the benefit?

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Jennifer Glass: Are they going to get the idea that we’re trying to do Sometimes we but in butt heads

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Jennifer Glass: I know that one of my clients in particular, and I’ve had to tell him this on many occasions. I can’t be your mentor without being your torment, or sometimes, too.

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Jennifer Glass: and it’s that exact idea right? I mean, we’re trying to make

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Jennifer Glass: them see. We can do things different. We’re trying to move mountains to help our clients grow in their business.

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Jennifer Glass: and sometimes the reluctance says, Well wait a second. No, I can’t do that

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Jennifer Glass: like, I said. Can’t be your mentor without being your tormentor.

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Jennifer Glass: If you are a long time listener, this show. You know that sometimes I’m giving you ideas that you really need to think about. How do I start using it? And where do I go from there. So think about that. I know that Aj. And I certainly have had many of these types of conversations.

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Jennifer Glass: He’s pushed back on me several times, especially in our existential conversation from the last time we had a big, deep chat.

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Jennifer Glass: and you know, and I’ve certainly given him some thought as well. But Anyway, as we wrap up our conversation age, I I wanted to thank you so much for being my guest on the show today. I think our listeners got so much value and so much of an idea about really

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Jennifer Glass: joy matters

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Jennifer Glass: right? What it is that we do is going to be making a big difference. So

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Jennifer Glass: thank you so much.

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AJ Sue: You’re welcome. Thank you for having me, and

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AJ Sue: I just want to say the ultimate path forward is just to be who you are

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AJ Sue: when you. If you can do that, everything else will take care of itself.

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AJ Sue: because there’s no miss mixed signals, and you’re true to your path, and if you know who you really should be.

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AJ Sue: all your energy is going to line up with your greatest capacities and opportunities.

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AJ Sue: That may seem like voodoo. But it’s truly true.

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AJ Sue: You gotta know yourself and be yourself, and then

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AJ Sue: go to market with that.

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Jennifer Glass: You not sure I would have been able to sum it up any better.

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Jennifer Glass: So thank you. Aj.

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Jennifer Glass: on that note. This has been another episode of MOJO: The Meaning of Life and Business, and until next time here’s to your success.

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AJ Sue: Cheers! Yes.