Through Adversity Comes Greatness

There is a famous quote, “Man’s mettle is tested both in adversity and in success” that really sums up the conversation in this podcast that I had with Martha Hoy.  

Martha has had so many challenges and struggles in her life, thus far, and have helped to shape Martha’s present and future.  

Known as Mother Martha to many children in Uganda, Martha has set out to change the world, one child and life at a time.  

From facing domestic violence and abuse to a car accident that required 15 surgeries to correct and living out of a suitcase that has traveled the world, Martha has shown time and time again that when she is tested, she comes out stronger on the other side.

Listen in and get to know more about Martha and her foundation, The Mother Martha Family Foundation.

Connect with Martha on Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram, and on the web at https://mothermarthafamilyfoundation.org.

Transcript (auto-generated; may contain errors):

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Hello and welcome to another episode of MOJO: The Meaning of Life and Business.

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On today’s show, we’re going to be talking about adversity and struggle, and how sometimes at least successful. There’s a famous quote that says man’s mettle is tested both in adversity and in success.

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Twice as is true of the soul of a nation, however, sometimes it’s even more important when it comes to us as people.

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What is it that really drives us? What is it that really makes us stand out?

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And sometimes it’s all of those struggles that we face that helps us lead us to greatness.

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And that’s why I have a really incredible guest on the show today.

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Who’s really going to help us see how adversity and struggle can lead to greatness before I bring my guest on, though let me tell you a little bit about Martha Hoy.

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Martha is a nurse, an author, and speaker in her book, Becoming Mother Martha.

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She tells the story of how she won from being a nurse in West Virginia to being known as Mother Martha in Uganda, and what that means for sure many people around the world Martha thank you so much for being my yesterday.

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Thank you for having me.

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Absolutely, and I have to say when we spoke the first time when we were just getting to know each other.

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Some of what you were sharing with me was so unbelievably mind blowing.

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And just you really felt that your sense of you and your desire to give back was reaching through the computer screen and all the way to me while we may be on opposite sides of the country, and your foundation is many thousands of miles away the work that you’re doing is not only in Uganda

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It’s really all over the place. But let me ask you your book Becoming Mother Martha.

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I just want to touch on that for a second, and, by the way, it is available wherever you get your books online.

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So definitely. Look up, Martha and Becoming Mother Martha, where you want to definitely take a look at that, and see how you too, can learn at least one thing for Martha struggles.

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But before we get into your struggles, let me just ask you the idea of Becoming Mother Martha how did the title?

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Let’s start there. How did the title come around that you became known as Mother Martha?

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Well, I started doing work with orphans in Uganda. 2014.

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And one of my sponsored children was calling me Mother Theresa, and I told him, please don’t call me that.

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I am no saint. So the Mother Martha name came from one of my sponsor children

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Thank you, and I love how humble you are in terms of saying that you’re no saint, because what you have been doing in helping these children in Uganda is definitely saying a lot and unfortunately too many people that we know what’t even consider doing so similar we’re even a Tenth of what it is

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So you I do wanna just throw that out. But let’s go back to a second because you were talking about your sponsor children.

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You were talking about what it is that you’re doing.

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In Uganda. So let’s kind of dial

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the story book back a little bit and let’s get to what happened that made you from West Virginia a nurse in West Virginia.

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Go from that to being a figure in Uganda.

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Of all places, from West Virginia, it’s not a normal trajectory.

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So what happened?

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Well, my story starts out with a car accident. Change my life

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I was rear-ended at a high speed.

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On my way home from work

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I went from being a healthy young woman to the only view I had of the world.

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Was the ceiling of my hospital room

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I was told that I would never finish nursing school, that I would never do a lot of things.

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And 15 surgeries and long recovery. Alright.

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I did graduate nursing nursing school 2 years later, and I guess, and I ended up working in the same medical center where my life is safe

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Talk about being full circle with that situation. You went from being a patient and being cared for by the nurses and doctors to ultimately being one of those nurses caring for others in a similar situation

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Yeah. And that was my dream. I wanted to finish nursing school, and when the doctors and nurses and everyone around me saying You’re never gonna do these things.

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And I use that as my motivation

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And that’s really strong when you have those neysayers, if you will, that are oh, it’s not gonna happen.

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And again the adversity that you’re faced with making that it’s really showing your mettle right?

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It’s showing what you’re made of, and all of that.

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And so you went back. You managed to finish nursing school and started working at the same location that you were a patient.

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Then. Not that much before. Now let’s go back a little or fast forward a little bit. So during that time you had those 15 surgeries that really ran your life a little bit crazy if you will in terms of what was happening how did you get to Uganda though from being a nurse in West Virginia.

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Well, during that time the recovery time. It was very lonely time, you know.

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I was home by myself, and I couldn’t move, and I couldn’t go anywhere, and I always loved working with children.

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A friend of mine said, You know I’m doing this work in Uganda.

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Maybe you should join me. So I met this young man on the Internet.

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I know that sounds kind of sketchy at first, but my friend actually adopted his brother, and brought him here to the United States to Minneapolis. Jeffrey

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is his name, and he became my first sponsor child.

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He and his brother grew up in a place called Malamu Children.

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‘s and Kapala. You got to

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And from that connection and friendship it just blossoms because I was at a time in my life where I was, you know, afraid and alone, and going through all these surgeries, and he had lost his parents.

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So he was in the orphanage, going through a lot of things.

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So it’s like I was a mother figure to

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him, and he was a friend to me

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And so you form that relationship with Jeffrey, and eventually you became a lot.

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Well, you started sponsoring many more children after that, right

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Yes, it just it just kind of grew from there

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And eventually that’s how you became known as Mother Martha

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Yes.

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So as we, what

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But there’s kind of a twist

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A few years after that my home life took a turn, and Jeffrey ended up. Stay!

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In my life.

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And it was great that he was there at that time to be able to do that, and

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You never know when things are going to go right. You never know when things at home.

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Maybe come problematic for everyone to try and figure out exactly.

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Well? Is it safe to be here? Is it not safe to be here?

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Who do? I trust? Who can I trust? Who can I turn to?

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Yes.

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And luckily Jeffrey was there for him to be there to support you and to help you, and eventually you needed to flee pretty quickly from where you are

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Yeah, I was in my bedroom. I was in my bed.

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I was watching television and I had packed a suitcase in a closet of my bedroom and I had to grab it and run.

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So when that happened I really didn’t have any place to go.

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You know everyone that I had reached out to you know even my own family had rejected me or didn’t believe me.

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So I drove a little ways of the interstate, and I pulled my car over, and I said, Who is the one person in this world that I could trust.

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So I made a phone call to an orphan and you, Canada.

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Some of 1,000 miles away, and that’s when he told me.

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Go to my brother in Minneapolis

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So if I’m no way to get me on a plane from Charleston, West Virginia, to Minneapolis, Minnesota.

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So during this time, when you called Jeffrey, and you got on the plane out to Minnesota.

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There was a lot going on in your mind. I’m sure.

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What am I doing? You mentioned that your family turned against you for the most part not believing you.

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You mentioned that there was so much going on that you really needed to get out.

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So the question that I have is, if you were looking at things trying to figure really out right?

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I gotta get to Minnesota, and Jeffrey’s brother managed to get you in your mind at that time when you were going out to Minnesota, I would imagine that survival was that most important thing on your mind right

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Yes, you know it it was. Of course it was scary.

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I was going to some place that I had never been to stay with people, that I didn’t know.

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I knew Jeffrey, but I had never met his brother

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But when you have no other choice with turning back is not an option

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You move forward. When I got on the plane that day I describe it as a feeling of freedom

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Even though what was before me was a little scary. I just knew that I had to go

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When I got to Minneapolis airport, there’s a big black grade piano, so I set on the beds in front of it and I had a picture of Ivan that’s Jeffrey’s brother on my phone and he kept texted me saying that he was coming to pick

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me up, so I was looking around the airport, looking at my phone and looking at the faces coming at me when I saw him come around the corner and I saw his smile.

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I knew who he was, and I was trusting my life and my well being to the stranger

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And sometimes those guardian angels, and think that that’s sometimes the best way to describe these people that are centered into our lives at

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The exact moment when we need them the most. Sometimes those guardian angels being there, we need to trust, and the fact that we’re there.

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I think I shared with you when we spoke. That I’m a 9/11 survivor, and about my situation with my Armenian SUV driver that pulled up and said he had room for 4 to Jersey and I said get me out of here and out the door went “don’t get

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in cars with strangers,” and I want out there, and 21 years later I’m so looking for that driver.

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And by the way, if you happen to be listening to this, please reach out to me I really want to thank you in person.

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Once again. For getting me out of dodge, so to speak.

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On 9/11, but as we go back to the story, so Ivan managed to find you at the airport, and you are safely out of West Virginia.

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You are now in Minneapolis, and what happened from there

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Well, you know he loaded my suitcase and this car.

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And I said, What’s next? You know I never been there.

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I didn’t know where we were going, and he said something a little deeper than I thought he would answer.

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He said, Martha, now we live, he said. No, you can truly live, and that stuff with me.

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I at that moment I realized how I had been held down by circumstances, and I had never truly lived or forgotten how to truly live.

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So I spent 4 months in Minneapolis with Ivan and his roommate, Joe

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After that summer, my divorce went through, and it was safe for me to leave, and I am so grateful to these young men I I really don’t think I would be alive today without them these 2 strangers.

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That I had never seen.

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I didn’t realize how important they would be in my life at that moment.

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So after 4 months, I still just had the suitcase.

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So a friend of mine had moved to Las Vegas, and she said, Why is that come to Las Vegas?

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What a better place to restart your life as a single woman so that’s what I did.

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I packed up the suitcase and few to Las Vegas to live with my friend

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And Vegas. This is where I restarted my life

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So I want to ask you. You said that, Ivan said.

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Yes.

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Now you live, and you decided to pick up and go out to Vegas and Restart to live

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Yes.

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The question I have for you is, What is that word, “Live?”

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I mean

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Well for me, I didn’t know who I was. You know I got to Vegas, and I’m like when you’ve been in the sexual where you’re under abuse you know people tell you who you are you know even where you could for your personal items you know I didn’t

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know anything about myself, so I call it like a journey of self discovery

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I sort of here, and what happened nice was like was my becoming stage.

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You know I was discovering who I am, what I like.

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How I like to dress what I like to eat, you know I pizza and Coca-cola.

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Everybody knows. That’s my thing. So after I was here in Vegas for a while, I decided that my passion was to definitely get back to these children.

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You know I’d already started that to the support team.

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But my passion had grown

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And then I decided that I was going to live

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So I made a list. You can call it a bucket list.

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Whatever you wanna do

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And always wanted to do and or see

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And at the end of that list I wrote

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Hook, Jeffrey

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Because he was in Uganda, and because of him

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I’m still here

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So after a few months I packed up this suitcase

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That’s suitcase, and I have been on quite so.

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I left from Las Vegas, and I went from there, and I had pizza in New York.

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Best pizza on the planet. So I went to Paris, France.

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I went to Milan, Italy. I traveled the Middle East, and my end destination was Uganda

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And that is definitely quite the road trek, if you will.

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I mean New York pizza definitely. You know I’m in the New York area.

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New York definitely has some great pizza. Paris, with the bread and the cheese and the wine and Italy with the wine and pizza

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too and eventually, ending up in Uganda, and tell me more about the time that you spent in Uganda

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Well, I went to Uganda, as I said, to hug Jeffrey for what he had done for me, but I had also went to see the students at his organization cause, He started an organization there in Uganda called Amica Foundation Africa and what this organization does is it helps the

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orphans when they come out of the Orphanage to get a job skills

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So I wanted to see Jeffrey, and I wanted to see the students at this organization

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Because from my story to charitable organizations were formed

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So I got there and I, Jeffrey, was waiting for me at the airport.

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It was a very emotional meeting, you know lots of hugs, and I didn’t want to let go of them.

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I saw the shores of Lake Victoria for the first time, and it’s stole my heart at first sight. Winston Churchill called it the Pearl of Africa, and I agree.

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And I hired a driver named Sam, who is now a part of my family.

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And he took me to the village to meet the students.

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And he also took me to to the Orphanage, so I could spend time with the children

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It was emotional and

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It’s definitely fueled my passion even more to help these children

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And that’s definitely incredible. And you mentioned that 2 charitable organizations or foundations were formed during that trip.

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Can you tell us more about those organization

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Mother Martha’s Family Foundation in Las Vegas, and then Jeffrey formed something called immigration.

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Africa, and compel Uganda. No, he he started that organization in 2017, but 2 other

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Organizations came from that connection

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So let’s focus on your organization in Las Vegas.

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So your foundation working with these children is working to better their lives.

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But tell us more in terms of exactly how you’re involved and help. People that are listening can get more involved and help out in the cause

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You could sponsor children, you know, can take trips with us

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The pandemic came, and has kind of put a pause on that.

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I was just talking to someone this morning about going into you.

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Got that in March to do a medical trip

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And Covid definitely ran amuck. So many different programs and organizations.

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But eventually, though you know that you’re going to be going back, you just said in March you were saying that you intend on going back for a medical mission, which is incredible, because there’s a lot that needs to be done and many people you know especially in the smaller villages you have to wait for the doctor, to

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Come because there’s no way for them to get to the doctors, and it’s great that at least you’re going and getting that done.

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And you are listening, and you are interested in sponsoring a child.

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You definitely want to be reaching out to Martha so that you can get more information on doing that.

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So, Martha, before we jump on. Would you mind just letting people know how they can get more and

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You can, going by social media pages, or you can go on my website.

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At MotherMarthaFamilyfoundation.org

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Yes.

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Thank you. And again that’s MotherMotherMarthaFamilyFoundation.org, and we’ll include that in the of the show notes.

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And again “Becoming Mother Martha” is again the name of the book that Martha wrote. So Martha,

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Let me ask you another question, and when you and I were talking last time you mentioned a really interesting gentleman that you had an

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interesting time with

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Hmm! Well, well, that could be it. Couple

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If we look at the princes out there, are you able to share anything about that?

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In my book I go into detail with that

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But I actually met 2

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One gentleman’s name is Prince Walla Gamby, and I toured the palace, but his grandfather built his name was ever, and he was the first prince of Uganda.

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And the king of the brigando. I actually dedicated Becoming Mother Martha to him.

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King Edward Martisa, because the story was very similar to mine.

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He was exiled from his home and had to read first life

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And also when I came back to the United States I met another prince.

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Name Principal Wonka

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You gotta love how you got to meet 2 princes, and for any of the women out there when you’re growing up and imagining that you’re one day gonna grow up and be a princess and do with that prince and year Martha’s out there with 2 Princes so you know take that

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All of us having our fairy tales just totally go up.

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But it’s really interesting, though, that you did that, and I love the dedication that you dedicated the book because his life mirrored that of yours having to flee pretty quickly and start over all new and so let me ask you this now you’ve got many years ahead of you

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Many incredible adventures that are still yet to come

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Some are based on the steps that you’ve already taken.

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You mentioned the medical mission that you intend on taking in a few months

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What else are you hoping to do? If there’s that bucket list item still remaining

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There’s a few. I I want to build a medical system center in a school for the children at the Orphanage

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And I want to meet the Pope.

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I want to go to the mad again and meet the phone, and I want to meet Jim Carrey so it kind of sounds like a joke.

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Right the Pope and Jim Carrey walk it to a bar. I don’t know

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Yeah. So that’s that’s what’s in the future.

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We want to build a medical center and a school

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And so if there’s anyone from peculiar that is listening, definitely reach out to Martha and if Jim Carrey’s folks are listening same thing, but in all seriousness though as we look at the medical facility in the school that is definitely going to be a very worthwhile

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Endeavor, and something that people can get behind in terms of being there to help you.

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As you figure out that next step and going there, and

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One of the things that you might even be able to do is a lot of people and different organizations are looking to have major impacts in Africa.

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We know that the African continent was a favorite charitable cause by the British royal family, and there’s a lot of those causes that are still related, and it’s especially because in you know, I think this is completely out of left Field to Princess, William and Harry, but because they’re

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Orphans as well, so something that they may get behind in that regard.

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We know that Diana loves the African continent.

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They have gone there multiple times themselves with them families and really trying to make a difference.

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And so that may be an interesting way that we can look at in terms of trying to get to helping you recognize and realize the school and the medical facilities that can be there.

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But as you look ahead, if you were to say, Look out 10 years from now, a lot of the world has changed a lot of the world probably hasn’t.

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Where would you like things to be? Though if you had your magic one that can make things right in 10 years

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Well at the core of it. I would like to see more compassion

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You know I I have a writing that starts out. That’s compassion. Is the catalyst to peace

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It very much is, if we all are a little bit more compassionate. If we’re all a little bit more aware of

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Those around us, and here I am. The New Yorker. Granted I’m not New York.

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I’m New Jersey, and but close enough to New York.

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New Yorkers, unfortunately have a stereotype that you’re just running down the street, willing to bulldoze anybody in your way, because the tourists are going too slow

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We all need to sometimes take a step back and look at the people around us, and recognize that these people, are people, too, whether they’re the housekeepers in the hotel that you stay at they’re the guy in the super supermarket parking lot collecting the shopping cards

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They’re the garbage man driving around, picking up your trash or any other person that is doing something that is traditionally seen as an invisible.

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Person you can stop for a second and simply say, Hello, good morning.

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Have a nice day. You never know the kind of difference that you might be making in that person’s life.

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I’ve said this many times. It doesn’t hurt you to be nice.

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There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being nice, and if the world had more people, but take that moment just to recognize another human being I think we would have fewer suicide attempts as well, too many people feel they’re invisible.

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That the world won’t even recognize if they’re gone or not.

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When you can take that stuff, and you can say good morning.

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You can say, have a nice day. You’re not just saying.

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Have a nice day you’re saying. I see you. You are appreciated.

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You are valued, and you’re not invisible.

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And that’s what’s really important. And I think, Martha, what you’re doing and what you’re trying to do is really

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Breaking that a step further. I think what you’re trying to do is help us see more.

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Of what’s out there? Help us see more of what can we do to be making that difference?

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What can we do to help those who are maybe less fortunate than us?

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Right here in the United States. We’re the land of plenty for many people

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Uganda’s not known for the same thing.

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There are many people at home here, too, that are suffering, and that’s not to say that they’re not worthy of our support.

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As well. There are so many organizations out there that you can possibly be supporting. But, Martha, if you were looking out, compassion is huge, and I completely agree with you

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If you can change one thing and you can start showing people how to be more compatible.

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Is there anything that you would say just to start with

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Well, I don’t think that you don’t have to start with anything big.

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You don’t have to build a medical center or help children in in Ukanda, you know, like you said.

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Just be nice to the person in the grocery store.

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How are you today or you look nice today, you know a kind word goes a long way because you don’t know what that person is with through that day, or what they’re going through

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Oh!

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Absolutely and just a smile. Right, I mean women. We have a tendency to smile, and we see another woman.

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It’s just, and nate as part of our I don’t know, I guess, in our genes, for lack of better way of saying, and it’s like, Oh, you see, another woman okay.

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Fine, whatever. But if you’re thinking about it, just that simple act is an incredible act.

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Again something that you definitely want to be checking out. And again MotherMarthafamilyfoundation.org is where you can go

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To get more involved, see more in terms of how you can be doing more.

00:36:43.997 –> 00:36:49.248
And going from there, so Martha, on social media, what platforms are you on that people can find you?

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One Facebook, Instagram and Twitter

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Thank you. And you’re definitely gonna want to look it up Martha Hoy

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And again that’s going to be in the show notes for this episode and how you can reach out to Martha.

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Martha, I want to thank you so much for being my guest today.

00:37:13.424 –> 00:37:24.438
Thank you for having me.

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Absolutely. I think that people are going to really have a really interesting reaction and response.

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I know that if you’re listening you’re going to at least to want to check out MotherMarthaFamilyFoundation.org

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where you can get a lot more information reach out to Martha on social, so you can be kept abreast of all of Martha’s travels, and any future prints that may be in the mix as well.

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We’ll see

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Yeah, it you already have 2 more than most of us.

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So

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There’s gotta be one more. But on that note this has been another episode of MOJO: The Meaning of Life and Business

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and until next time. Here’s to your success.